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== News template ==
Hey Dhamm!!
How've you been?
I wanna ask you how i can add or edit the Main page's "News" section?
I have info about Evanescence in México at the Knotfest
:Here's the link to edit the News section: https://evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Template:News  --[[User:DhammaSeeker|DhammaSeeker]] ([[User talk:DhammaSeeker|talk]]) 12:15, 4 August 2019 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 14:53, 10 February 2021


I've finished going through all of the articles. I did my best to correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, line spacing, awkward phrasing, dead links, images on the left and without captions, incorrect or incomplete quotations, and needed citations.

The only thing I am uncertain about is what I did with the Live in Cologne page. The old links were dead. I replaced them with the complete concert, which I would defer to you to determine if that is allowable. --XERXES II 19:32, 3 December 2006 (PST)

EvReference logo...

Hi, I don't know if the EvReference logo can be changed to another...I've created one and I'll show you if u want. Armando 16:16, 16 December 2006 (PST)

Sent you an email basically saying send it to me by email and we'll see what it looks like. --DhammaSeeker 12:24, 17 December 2006 (PST)
Ok, I've sent you the pics. Armando 14:31, 17 December 2006 (PST)
I used the large graphic for the main entry graphic on http://evanescencereference.info Thanks! I think I'm going to keep the smaller one as is for now. --DhammaSeeker 14:03, 18 December 2006 (PST)

On a related note, please add the logo (current or proposed) as a favicon in the address bar if possible. --XERXES_II 15:27, 17 December 2006 (PST)

I think that it can't be changed for the pages that use MediaWiki..or yes?? Armando 15:35, 17 December 2006 (PST)
I uploaded a favicon - the encircled 'E' form the Evanescent font. --DhammaSeeker 14:03, 18 December 2006 (PST)
Hi DhammaSeeker, what about the logos? Armando 19:45, 18 December 2006 (PST)
I used the large graphic for the main entry graphic on http://evanescencereference.info Thanks! I think I'm going to keep the smaller one as is for now. --DhammaSeeker 14:03, 18 December 2006 (PST)
Cool! Armando 05:43, 19 December 2006 (PST)

C Sharp

I'm nominating the page Forever Gone, Forever You for movement back to the page Forever You. I wonder, why it was changed??? (Gyakusetsu 1/3/2006 24:35 MST)

I originally moved it because the predominant opinion that I read around the Internet was that the title is "Forever Gone, Forever You." I just noticed (d'oh) in the history of the article that DhammaSeeker has it on better authority as "Forever You." I took care of it. --XERXES II 9:07, 4 January 2007 (PST)

Article for deletion

The article Evanescenceturkey should be deleted, becuase it has nothing to do here. It's not an official Evanescence website and the content of it (the article) is subjetive.

"The Best Evanescence website" ???? Armando 19:15, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Agreed. Article deleted. --DhammaSeeker 08:59, 14 January 2007 (PST)


Hi,..are the References enabled?? Armando.O (talk|contribs) 08:46, 16 January 2007 (PST)

I'm a mediawiki n00b. Can you please link to a page describing them or explaining how to enable then and I'll happily do that if it's not a security risk. --DhammaSeeker 14:54, 16 January 2007 (PST)
I know how to use references/citations and I could copy the citing templates from Wikipedia, but I don't know how to enable those cuz I've never had a wiki :S Here's the Wikipedia page of the references. Wikipedia:References Armando.O (talk|contribs) 15:37, 16 January 2007 (PST)

Hey Armando - This is a test.[1] Is this what you were asking about? --DhammaSeeker 10:28, 18 January 2007 (PST)

Yeah..It's excellent. Please, delete this Template:Cite web, because it doesn't work in this wiki...I dunno why :S.Armando.O (talk|contribs) 11:48, 19 January 2007 (PST)
Done! --DhammaSeeker 12:15, 19 January 2007 (PST)
  1. This is a footnote test.

re: Archive

A little thing...Your archived discussion was too small to be archived. Armando.O (talk|contribs) 17:58, 20 January 2007 (PST)

I'm going to sound stupid here, but what? --DhammaSeeker 11:41, 22 January 2007 (PST)

I mean, your talk page must have like 20 topics or be very long. (30-50 kbs) Armando.O (talk|contribs) 20:25, 22 January 2007 (PST)

I think Wikipedia or whoever elses rules besides Dhamma's don't apply here. Relax. --XERXES_II 7:49, 23 January 2007 (PST)

I was just a suggestion for Dhamma, not for you. Armando.O (talk|contribs) 11:21, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Ahh - I just like a clean talk page. Mostly so I will be able to keep things straight as to what needs answering. --DhammaSeeker 19:24, 23 January 2007 (PST)

re: Automata Magazine

Hey, There are two versions of an article about issue 3.0 of Automata Magazine. The more recent one Automata Magazine is more descriptive and accurate (i know because i own a copy of the magazine) so could you please delete this inaccurate old one Automata Version 3.0 --Never Be Good Enough

All done! Next time, though, please just modify the original page and ask for a title change (if necessary). Thanks!--DhammaSeeker 07:50, 25 January 2007 (PST)
Sorry. Even thogh the old page was made ages ago it was only added to the A-Z after i made the new page. Before they added it i didn't know the old one existed. Thanx for deleting it. --Never Be Good Enough

Contributing Communities

Would you mind adding Sound-Asleep.net to the contributing communities? Annie, the webmaster of that site, has been helping extensively (especially with the discography sections) and should deffinitely be on the portal.—Gyakusetsu 13:54, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

All done! Thanks for the suggestion! --DhammaSeeker 14:31, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

SVG File Format

I think it's better if we upload the logos (in Fonts and Logos) in .SVG format... It's so much better because it's vectorial... if they're not available in that format I can make them available... Well, I was trying to upload a file in this format, but it said "SVG Format is not recommended"... But I still think we should... It's maybe due to the image handler... Wade, which image-handler did u install? I mean, ImageMagick is the recommended for wikis, do you have it? Please, if you can, change it... Let us know.. Thanks... --Gerard Armando 22:40, 11 August 2007 (PDT)

I was messing around with the 'e' logo and decided to make a somewhat more accurate 'e' logo for the EvReference. This is what I came up with. Any suggestions or ideas for something different than that? —Gyakusetsu 01:35, 17 July 2007 (PDT)

I just uploaded the new logo. Looks nice! Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 10:34, 29 August 2007 (PDT)

Contributing communitites

Hi! I have a question: How is a community considered as a contributor? I mean, is it in financial terms? --gt 10:52, 9 September 2007 (PDT)

It's really community that has more than one member actively adding and maintaining the information on the wiki. It's certainly not tied to anything financial. --DhammaSeeker 13:42, 15 September 2007 (PDT)


Hi, DhammaSeeker.

I'm from Amy Lee Brasil Team [1], a brazilian ev fan site. I noticed that someone is translating everything to spanish. I'd like to know what you think about the idea of translating everything to portuguese.

Evanescence has A LOT of fans in Brazil, and also Portugal. The fans would be SO happy.

Thanks for the attention, and sorry for my bad english. [and don't worry! I'm not the one who's gonna translate it! xD]

See you.

Mariana [.paperflower.]

Fine by me. Gerard Armando said you had asked. Just use the same /language format (like /pt) that we've been using for the other translations. --DhammaSeeker 20:20, 13 October 2007 (PDT)

Greek pages management

Hi! I've started translating everything to Greek, but there's still an issue...

First, I just want to inform you that the whole project has been started from me with the help by the Greek Fan Club of Evanescence. I play the role of the "guide and leader" in that project. This means, many people in the fan club translate the articles and I edit them (add wiki code etc) and put them in EvRef.

I wanted to ask, is there any way for me to be able to lock important pages in greek (such as Template: News/gr) in order to prevent misinformation? I mean, it would be great if such pages were locked and edited only by me and the people I trust. Naturally, the whole thing is about the greek pages only....

Hope to receive a response soon :) --gt 05:28, 19 October 2007 (PDT)


Hi! i was searching some MediaWiki extensions and I found this... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiLanguageManager, but I don't know if it would be Ok cuz there is a problem mentioned at the bottom of the article. Armando.O (talk|contribs) 18:33, 26 October 2007 (PDT)



My name is Ana, I'm talking from [2], a brazilian website called Immortal Essence, and I'd like to contribute with the Evanescence Reference in The Art of The Open Door and Fake Discographies.

The material of The Art of The Open Door was made by me and a friend of the site, Ramon, and his book of psychological symbols. It's an old book, I don't have the bibliography right here with me, but if the text here were interesting, I can send to you later. So, we wrote about the meaning about the images in The Open Door booklet, and discussed a little on FieldsOfInnocence forum. It's not an official information, like we don't know nothing from the art designer of Wind-Up, but what fans do is still worthfull, isn't? And those images are in the official Ev page. So let's go:

Above each lyric, there's a different image. They are analogous to the lyrics. In Sweet Sacrifice, a moth, like butterflies, represent what is called "You poor sweet innocent thing". In the psychological symbols of dreamings, the butterfly represents freedom, like in "Now that I'm unchained"; in the christian symbolism, the butterfly is on the one hand ressurection and immortality and on the other empty vanity and triviality, due to its short life and beauty. The meaning of the butterfly is, however, on its metamorphosis, from egg to caterpillar and from chrysalis, stuck in strict death, to insect with wings and shining colors turned to the sunlight. So in the antiquity, it was already a symbol of the soul, because it doesn't end with the death. The part of the song that represents this hole symbolism is at the end, when the choir sings "I dream in the darkness, I sleep to die, Erase the silence, Erase my life, Our burning ashes blacken the day, A world of nothingness blow me away". In Call me When You're Sober, there is an ant. With the Weight of the World and Lithium lyrics, an umbrella reminds protection, something that doesn't let other things to touch us, like in the parts "Like all my screming has gone unheard" and "If you love me, then let go of me" from Weight of the World and "Don't wanna lock me up inside" and "Can't break free until I let it go - let me go" from Lithium. The umbrella reminds so Mary Poppins, that used it to fly "Freefall, freefall, all through life". In Cloud Nine, there is a bird, analogous to freedom and linked to the parts "If you want to live, let live" and "I just want to feel that high". In Snow White Queen, according to the inspiration for the song, a cage fence the unique bird (Notes and References: [3]). There is adoring and illness in the lyric - "There's nowhere to run", "Soon I know you'll see you're just like me" and "Don't scream anymore, my love, 'cause all I want is you". In Lose Control lyric page appears a lamb, explicit quoted in the lyric, "my lamb". In The Only One, there is a mithologic animal, the Griffon, that lays golden eggs and has a great justice sense (Notes, References and Images: [4]); this is the representation of the wonder, and so it is well connected to the hole song, including the title. In Your Star, appears a LUNETA, instrument used to see stars and planets far from Earth - "I can't see your star". In All that I'm Living for, the key symbolizes the part "Lock the last open door". And, in Good Enough, the necklace with the heart pendant shows all the love where the song is drown. For the digital version of The Open Door, the Lacrymosa and Like You lyrics have special images too. They represent the hole song - a teardrop in Lacrymosa and a coffin in Like You (Notes, Reference and Images: [5] and [6]).

One correction need to be made, like I didn't found the correct translation to LUNETA, the image in the Yor Star lyric page, the lens used to see the stars :P And about CMWYS, the ant, we really don't understand - can it be a forum on EvThreads? ;D The Mary Poppins was reminded by AeternusAmatorius, user of the FieldsOfInnocence forum, who also gave me the digital pics.

Then we've got something about a Fake Disco. In various websites last year, in portuguese and some in spanish, a CD called In The Shadows was distributed, a link to download, with old Evanescence songs recorded on this. This rumor OK is like off course false, some songs don't have the correct name and the Understanding live performance may have grown the possibility of this release. The images we've found in google - [7] and [8]. This information is too general, so maybe it can't be in the EvRef 'cause of the copyrights.

And after those stuffs, I'd just like to say sorry for our english, that's it. If it's needed to change some lines, we'd be glad anyway! Is there a possibilite to Immortal Essence be part of the Comunnities here? Please answer about this e-mail to immortalessence@gmail.com

Thanks, Immortal Essence BRASIL

I'll be happy to add you to the list of contributing communities. Please add your information and edits to the pertinent pages in the wiki. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 21:29, 28 January 2008 (PST)


Hi there, this is Fernando from Argentina , i would like to spare some partitures that are missing. When i go to the upload page it says PDF is an unwanted filetype. mail me if you want me to send them by mail to fquintana at gmail

Hi Fernando, I'll send you an email asking about those partitures (tabs). Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 21:29, 28 January 2008 (PST)


The logo reverted when you updated the wiki to the new version. Gyakusetsu54M.pngTalk~Contributions 05:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi Dhamma, here is Ana talking about some bad things that I've noted started to grow all over the articles.

When I asked you if I could be part of the contributing communities here, I was really carefull about all the things that I could or not change and the stuffs that could really improve this wiki, like my first contribution, The Art of The Open Door. The translation into portuguese is something really slow because me and Raphael (the other brazilian guy helping), you know, have a life. But I've understood since the beggining the importance of being real here, to take down legends and to show to anyone how big fans we are.

The problem is that the free thing, the free account, is making problems to the ones that look for a source here. Besides the spammig problem, there are controversy informations in some articles, like the old doubt about the beggining of Good Enough, if it is part of Together Again, and the Imaginary from Mystary having the Fallen Tourniquet end or not.

You know, people can edit and they do, I'm just reporting something that I don't know if the adms know. Some fans don't read the whole conversation in old topic foruns, they just get a thing in a fansite and start doing the cultural spam. It is not something that we can control in fact, because it is part of the freedom that the internet gave to us, and those things from Richard Dawkins... Sorry, I'm not trying to be intelligent or anything else, but what I mean is that this kind of free-problem is natural, but we can solve here. My suggestion is that the articles get an "approvement". If the editted text gets confirmed by someone that knows the truth, it can be on air. My suggestion is kinda hard because, I know, adms have a life too! I can't seem to find another solution, wish I could.

I hope all the adms can solve this problem, sorry for the long text.Immortalessence 18:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

This IS a problem, but that's why admins and mods are here... We're ready to correct any mistaken text that is written on the pages. As far as spamming is concerned, the problem grows bigger and bigger. Unfortunately I had to delete 5-6 pages in three days because they were irrelevant with the Evanescence Reference and its object. I'm afraid there's nothing we can do.
I'm sorry to say that I don't agree with this "approval system" you're suggesting, just because the staff don't know everything. We're not able to know everything about Evanescence. We let anyone write whatever they want and then we check if the information is valid or not.
But if we think that some info is invalid and someone else knows that it's 100% valid, there will be no ability to learn from them that it is valid, so the info is totally lost. I hope you understand what I'm saying... --gt 16:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts, Ana/Immortalessence. You state the problem well. An open wiki has many benefits while at the same time having many drawbacks. I have agree with gt though. Approving content changes before they are published would create an undue burden on the admin staff and potentially put a chilling effect on those wanting to make contributions. If we see someone has added controversial or debatable content to a page, perhaps an edit should be made making it clear that the information is controversial or debatable while leaving in the user's contribution. On the topic of spam, if it's becoming unwieldy again, perhaps we need to look into implementing some kind of higher scrutiny before new accounts are activated? --DhammaSeeker 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I really appreciate your answers, I'm really glad :) So, I've got the problem with the approval system. It is something that I haven't thought already, and I agree now with you both. In fact there is a "system" to solve this, that are the Talk pages. No one gets there, really. It is good in a way because it has not to be a forum but today it gets just stuck. I mean, we need a kind of add poiting to the Talk pages, but not one that makes it a forum. Is it a good idea if we create a page with reportings, like Reporting Articles where we, common users, can list the topics and the reason why we are posting them to this? Maybe it can have a link to the Talk page so it gets more constant in our minds. Can it be a good thing? Well, I just hope that won't start the not-kind conversation that we use to see in foruns. Maybe we should use the [citation needed] more times. And the higher scrunity about the spams are good! Immortalessence 19:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

User List ?

Hello Dhamma =) Before I registered here I saw a page that had a list of all users, but now can't find it! Can you help me, please? :) EvanescenceGirl 16:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this is what you're looking for: User List --DhammaSeeker 16:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! EvanescenceGirl 17:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Lithium Single

See[9]... My Immortal [Love 4u] 12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Sally's Song pre-listening

hey!! im !!eVan!! im from mexico and obviously a fucking big evanescence fan! as u know Amy has been made a cover for the new NIGHMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAZ soundtrack, so while the cd come out, on disney's website there are a lil' bit of the songs. this is the url [10]

i hope it helps u!


Italian in The Evanescence Reference

Hi I'm Italian and I'd like to help this wiki transalating the pages in Italian. But I don't know how to do it (and IF i can do it)... Let me know if you are interested in my proposal... And if so tell me how to do! Thanks - My Immortal [Love 4u] 10:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please contact Gerard Armando for guidance on how to start a new translation. Grazie!

Ok, If I do something wrong please undo or modify my modifications. My Immortal [Love 4u]

Changing Title

Hi Dhamma, I was posting a new article about the movie 'Tristan & Isolde' but I got the title only with Tristan: Tristan. Would you mind changing this? Sorry for the mess...

No worries; I think I succeeded in the rename. Tristan_&_Isolde --DhammaSeeker 20:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Lang template

Hi Dhamma, I'd like to know if you could help me in this; the tempalte {{Lang/pt}} is not really working, cause de 'articlepagename' thing adds the whole title, so it gets for exemple 'catherine/pt/es'. So, it works in the english lang template, but what can we do for the other laguages? Immortalessence 19:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The NoTitle extension is once again compatible, so it has been enabled again. Usage instructions.

A problem with the template

I have a problem translating in italian the pages: the template (like here) is the English-one and I can't change it... Also here the template on the right is the English-one so it doesn't work for the italian. Can you explain me how to change it? Thanks so much My Immortal [Love 4u]

Please contact Gerard Armando for specific help on how to use the templates.

update for Dave Hodges

hi there

im not sure if this is the right person to email about a page update 

according to Dave Hodges website ( http://www.davidhodges.info/ )


September 28, 2008

It was announced by Art House Entertainment that on Sept 18th, David has signed to Warner Brothers Records as a solo artist. He has confirmed that he has already recorded 3 songs for the project and will be meeting with the label in upcoming weeks to work out the plan. To follow progress of the new album "

hope that's helpful :)


Evanescence cover versions

Hi, Love your site! Can you tell me if there is a CD compilation out there with all (including song snippets) of the cover versions that Evanescence have performed in concert? I have some, but would like to get them all. Can you recommend anything or anyone to trade with? Thanks, Tom


Recent news

hello :) I have found this when I searching on google:

"EVANESCENCE frontwoman Amy Lee will be featured on an upcoming episode of "Legends & Lyrics", a unique musical performance series showcasing the art of songwriting. Each show is a mixture of famous recording artists from all genres who write their own hit songs as well as the professional song poets they sometimes depend on to write hit songs for them.

Lee will be accompanied by EVANESCENCE guitarist Terry Balsamo during the performance, which will be taped on February 23 in Nashville, Tennessee.

"Legends & Lyrics" is distributed and presented by American Public Television and will appear on PBS stations nationwide starting April 2009 (check local listings)."

I think it's good news to insert on the front page. What do you think?* EvanescenceGirl 17:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sheet Music

Hi there,

I am an Evanescence fan with some sheet music written out that I would like to share. I've written out the music for/arranged for piano Anywhere, Breathe No More, the Bring Me to Life Live Intro, Even in Death, Exodus, Forgive Me, Give Unto Me, Goodnight, the Imaginary Demo Intro, Solitude, and The Last Song I'm Wasting on You. I looked myself into uploading the PDF files but couldn't quite figure out how. If I could send you the files to upload or you could let me know how, that would be great. Thanks!

I've sent you an e-mail, Evmuser. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 02:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

SS Swiss Single?


I bought on eBay a promo single of Sweet Sacrifice that is not referenced on the SS Single section; though, it is exactly the same as the Lithium Swiss Promo one (ecxept for the title, of course). I was wandering if you considered the Lithium swiss one as truly official, and so you can add mine. Thanks anyway.

P. Sala

I suggest you contact Gyakusetsu with this question as he's much more knowledgeable about the merch side of things. --DhammaSeeker 21:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

About Portuguese Administrators

Hello DhammaSeeker. How are you?

I'm helping to translate the Evanescence Reference to Portuguese, but my name isn't on the part of Portuguese administrators, I have just seen Immortal Essence there and I'm not a member of their team.

Thanks and have a nice week ;)

Dear Raphael-maximo, Thank you for inquiring about the languagemod role. You do not need to be assigned to the languagemod group in order to contribute to the translation of The Evanescence Reference. Please continue to contribute to the Português pages, and perhaps in time we can see about adding you to the languagemod group if needed. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 17:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)



I would like to translate the site into duch if you want that? I am a 17 year old boy who lives in the Netherlands, and I have had English for 9 Years now. I'm also good with computers, and know something about HTML.

Please let me know someting. You can always mail me at: v.lieroprick@gmail.com

Rick van Lierop

"Angel Of Grief" image

Hi, Can you tell me if the "Angel Of Grief" image on the cover of the "Evanescence" EP is an artist's rendering of a photograph? I've searched all over the web, but I can't find that exact same picture without the "Evanescence" logo on it. Thanks, Tom t.gb.6@hotmail.com

Tom, you can find information on this topic at http://www.evanescencewebsite.com/FAQenglish.php under the "What's the statue we can see on the EP cover?" heading. --DhammaSeeker 18:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Downloads not working?

Hi, I try downloading the songs that you have distributed links for but there's just a page that comes up and says "Code error 404" Is this just my computer or is there a minor problem with the links at the moment?

Downloads are working fine. Try a different browser to see if the issue is on your end. --DhammaSeeker 20:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Third Album page unlock

Hello, I was wandering if was possible to unlock the Third Album page for editing now there has been official news regarding the next album from Amy on Twitter? (entering the studio next month)

Thank you

- Gunn

Request granted. --DhammaSeeker 17:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Language moderator

If you want, I can translate pages to Russian. KIPrida 12:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


I just wanted to offer an edit to the "Awards" Category:

In 2009, Evanescence won two spots in "Israel's International top 100 best songs of the decade" (2000-2009) on the Israeli radio station Galgalatz (operated by Israeli Army Radio). "Bring Me To Life" came eighth, and "My Immortal" came third! It is a significant success, which should be recognized here in The Evanescence Reference.

You do not need my permission to make that edit; just go to the page and make the contribution. Thanks. --DhammaSeeker 16:14, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Music downloads

Hi, I want to download Evanescence's older songs but not at the risk of getting a virus, trojan horse, etc on my computer. That's why I won't download them from limewire or anything like that. Are these downloads safe or do I have the potential to get a virus or trojan horse, etc from them?


Lacrymosa, the files hosted on this site are clean. --DhammaSeeker 16:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Translation Request


To whom it may concern

I am writing in order to ask some questions about editing/creating articles on this site.

I would like to ask you if it would be possible for me to translate articles into another language- that being the Slovak language. I believe it would widen the number of visitors to this site and help other fans (at least those from the Slovak republic - or the Czech republic) to learn more about Evanescence.

As for my competency, I am not a qualified translator yet but I am hoping to become one in the future. I have been learning English for 8 years now and am at the B2-C1 level of the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR).

If you allow me to do this, I hope you will be able to explain me where and how I can "add" the Slovak language to the main "language bar".

Yours faithfully

Evtranslator // _____________________________________________________________________________________

At this time, I think it's in the best interest of this web site to hold off on starting a new translation. Thank you for your offer. --DhammaSeeker 22:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hebrew Language

I would like to add the Hebrew language to the list of languages, how can I start do that?

Official MySpace page

I was thinking about making an official MySpace profile for The Evanescence Reference, to put all the updates/news and to expand the community and to make the website more well-known (even though it already is, it could be a good idea).
What do you think? I could make and update it, I just need your approval to make it official ;)
- My Immortal [Love 4u] 07:18, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

If you have the drive and initiative, make it so. --DhammaSeeker 07:44, 28 September 2010 (PDT)


this song is listed as evanescence, its called for you. i have never heard it or of it. could you tell me something if you know anyting. here are the lyrics and the link


Why do you cry for me? Why do you fake that you don't see me? When you change everybody's path But you know that... One day you are going to see me with different eyes


I don't know if I will survive without you in my arms Then now... Give me a chance Let me show you how much love you Oh, I need you to survive in the darkness Save me from the dark and from the death

If I die, the love that I feel for you will ressucitateme from The gray of the evil and dark And the sun will shine for me again, yeah The love is indestructible against the evil I dream that I have you with me So tell me why do you cry for me? Come with me, you won't regret it

[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/for-you-lyrics-evanescence.html ]


Give me a chance Let me show you how much I love you Oh, I need you to survive in the darkness Save me from the death


I don't know if I will survive without you in my arms Then now... Give me a chance Let me show you how much I love you Oh, I need you to survive in the darkness Save me from the dark and from the death


have you heard of this song -Ev cemeterygirl

I've never heard of this song. --DhammaSeeker 11:05, 8 December 2010 (PST)

NoTitle Extension

Hi, DhammaSeeker. I'm one of the girls who are currently translating EvRef into pt and there was a code that I was using to hide the main page title, so I could add a translated version. For example, in Main Page I added "__ NOTITLE __ =Página Inicial=" with no spaces. I noticed it is not working anymore so I thought it could be an extension issue to be installed. Would you mind helping me with that? I'd appreciate a lot :) Greetings.

Thank you for reporting this issue. I have updated the extension code, and I believe it is working again. --DhammaSeeker 13:22, 7 March 2011 (PST)

Evanescence Template:Songs

I was trying to figure out how to include the new Evanescence songs in the list on the right hand side when you have other songs open: for example... if you were looking at the page for Bring Me To Life, the list on the right hand side does not include the new songs. And I was trying to edit that, but it is a locked page and so i cannot edit.

Perhaps you could add the new songs:

Thanks! --OrangeHat101

I'd like to wait until an official track listing is released for the new album before editing the Songs template. --DhammaSeeker 11:45, 18 July 2011 (PDT)

Main Page

Under "Discography" and "Major EP and CD Releases", the title Third Album should be changed to Evanescence (album) --OrangeHat101

Request complete. --DhammaSeeker 11:45, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
Not to be nit picky, but it has a little underscore beetween "evanescence" and "(album)". ^_^ --OrangeHat101
Fixed. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 12:20, 18 July 2011 (PDT)

"Hi-Jack" show interview on Z-Rock

This is a copy of an E-mail I just sent ya:

"Hi there... Well, I admit - u r hard to find!

I am Diyan Karolev, from Bulgaria. The reason to contact you is that I just listened to an interview Amy Lee gave few days ago to a Bulgarian rock radio and to the question: "Tell us something about the songs", she replied: "Okay! You've already heard "What you want", so I'd pick another song for you. Well, I haven't really talked about that yet... There's a song called "The Change", that I really like. It was written soon - in the last six months. There are a few reasons why I like it, one of which is that I can very clearly distinguish our bass player - Tim McCord's work in it. Tim participated a lot in the writing process and it was great to work with him together. He's a great composer - you'd feel that in the chorus part"

The interview was aired at 29.07.2011 @ 16:30 local time, in the "Hi-Jack" show on Z-Rock. I'd translate it for you if you wish - it has a lot of interesting stuff about the new album.

Cheers!" --Diyan Karolev

!!!! UPDATE: I found some references to the interview for you to review. I know the rules are that something should be mentioned at two different places to become a part of a wiki, so there are three of them:

This is the summary: http://translate.google.bg/translate?hl=bg&langpair=bg%7Cen&u=http://www.btv.bg/news/spetsialno/story/1987976522-Eymi_Liy_ot_Evanescence_dade_ekskluzivno_intervyu_za_ZRock.html And this is the interview: http://www.evthreads.com/showthread.php?t=20391 (bad translation) http://evtod.com/en/2011/07/amy-lee-on-interview-with-z-rock-bulgary/ (good translation)

If you wish to add something to this wiki, you should do so yourself. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker 13:27, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
I was just looking for permission - I don't want to tamper with stuff

New Ev Tracks

Now that all of the tracks of both the Standard and Deluxe versions of the album have been confirmed, could you add them to the song list? --OrangeHat101

request complete --DhammaSeeker 16:38, 7 September 2011 (PDT)


I just wanted to let you know that when this site is linked to from another, there is a 403 forbidden error popping up with wiki.php and it is causing some confusion. When I visit via a bookmark, it's fine, but if I click a link (e.g. to a specific article or like from the main page of EvThreads) people get the 403. --Gyakusetsu5.pngUserpage~Talk~Contributions 11:26, 18 October 2011 (PDT)

Thanks for the tip! I adjusted the .htaccess settings. Please let me know if the issue persists. --DhammaSeeker 11:53, 18 October 2011 (PDT)

Thumbnail Errors

Check this page out... just added a few items and got an error creating the thumbnails. Merchandise#Hoodies.2FMiscellaneous_Items

Any Ideas?--Gyakusetsu5.pngUserpage~Talk~Contributions 00:50, 26 October 2011 (PDT)

I believe this is fixed now. --DhammaSeeker 08:40, 26 October 2011 (PDT)

Portuguese mod

Hi, I'm the moderator from a Ev fansite called AmyLeeBrasil.com and I'd like to be a moderator for the portuguese parts on this "wiki", I've been creating some portuguese pages here for the songs. :)

ps. I have time to be on the internet. :) --Th evanescence

I added you to the languagemod group. Thank you for your service. --DhammaSeeker 08:07, 11 November 2011 (PST)

My Heart is Broken video news

My Heart is Broken video has been released and announced on Twitter by Amy Lee herself...

Twitter message: Its here! Check out our new video on Vevo!!! http://vevo.ly/x6slZJ

Video link: http://www.vevo.com/watch/evanescence/my-heart-is-broken/USWV41100052

was gonn apost it under the "News" section but wasn't authorized to modify it....can you help with it...

Also would like to put together a "Video" page...what do you think of that? --Mike

I updated the News section. You're free to contribute to the format of the wiki as you see fit. If you'd like to create a "Video" page go ahead! --DhammaSeeker 11:12, 24 January 2012 (PST)

Website bugs

in the last period there have been many errors with the website's database and layout, recurring on many pages. These are the bugs:

1) "1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_bin,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (mysql.evanescencereference.info)" - (for example on the Greek main page)

2) "1271: Illegal mix of collations for operation ' IN ' (mysql.evanescencereference.info)" - (for example on Amy Lee's English and Italian pages)

3) There's also a layout error concerning the albums' pages and the songs' pages: the tables cocerning the album infos and the song list are displayed at the top of the page despite the page's code being different.

The server is also working very slowly on some occasions. I hope something can be done about these bugs! :)
--Luca, My Immortal [Love 4u] 02:18, 18 June 2012 (PDT)

Items 1 and 2 should now be resolved. I'm not sure why item 3 is happening. Perhaps it is a side effect of the upgrade to MediaWiki 1.19.1? As for site slowness, the site has a large database on shared web hosting, so there's not much that can be done about that. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2012 (PDT)
I believe I've also fixed issue 3. Had to replace some of the format code. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 14:54, 18 June 2012 (PDT)

Talk Pages

I have modified a few talk pages, asking several questions. By now no one has answered to them, Can you have a look at them, please ? These are the pages : Talk:Eternal and Talk:Covers.
Lich 24 March 2013.


I posted a link on Talk:Eternal and a thank you on Talk:Covers. Could you check out, please ? Lich 8:35, 30 March 2013.

Songs list

I created the page Me & You. Can you add this page to Template:Songs? Also, why were You've Got A Lot To Learn and Hi-Lo removed from the songs list?--Bfdx

I added Me & You as requested. I don't know why You've Got A Lot To Learn and Hi-Lo were removed from the songs list. In fact I don't know anything about those songs at all because I haven't been in the loop for years. Reviewing the history of that template, it looks like Gerard Armando removed them on 16 October 2011. Check with him for more information. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 15:52, 29 April 2013 (PDT)
I would ask Gerard Armando, but it seems he hasn't been active for over a year. Anyway, thanks.--Bfdx

Rename page & add pages 20130509

Sorry to bother you again, but can the Muppets Revisited page be renamed to Muppets: The Green Album, and can the pages Instrumental 1, Instrumental 2, Instrumental 3, Instrumental 4 be added to Template:Songs? -Bfdx

Requests complete. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 09:28, 9 May 2013 (PDT)

EvTeam Info

Hi Dhamma! hope you dont get annoyed with my questions but : how i can become part of the staff? or a moderator, i'm member from EvTeam, i know few languages including Spanish & English, we are very active as you can see in our site... we'll be excited if you can include us there! Greets from all the EvTeam Staff

Hi DomenikSinead, I added EvTeam to the list of contributing communities on the main page. There isn't much staff/mods can do around here that you can't do as a regular member. I encourage you to make edits and contributions as you see fit, and as time goes we'll see if it's necessary to elevate your access. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker (talk) 11:53, 15 May 2013 (PDT) Edit: I went ahead and added you to the languagemod group. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 13:07, 15 May 2013 (PDT)

You've Got A Lot To Learn page rename

Can you please rename the page You've Got A Lot To Learn to "You Got A Lot To Learn"? Also, what do I have to do gain access to the pages Template:Evanescence and Template:Songs and be able to move/rename pages by myself? -Bfdx (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2013 (PDT)

Requested page rename is complete, and I added you to the admin group that should allow you edit access to those template pages. Let me know if that's not the case. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 13:01, 15 May 2013 (PDT)
I do have access. Thank you! -Bfdx (talk) 13:05, 15 May 2013 (PDT)

Internal Server Error 500

I've been getting this alot lately. Sometimes when I open or edit a page I get this error:

"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@evanescencereference.info and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

Can something be done about this? --Bfdx (talk) 13:57, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

This site has a rather large database and is run on a shared web hosting account. Even on a good day it will be slow. As of late, the web host (Dreamhost) has been having higher than normal instances of network connectivity trouble, so I'm hopeful that once that is fixed, the internal server errors you're seeing will decrease. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

Problems with the download page

The links to Whisper demo 1, demo 2 and Haunted demo 3 aren't working. There is some mislabeling on certain songs too. For example, the post-Origin demo of Lies is listed as "Lies (Remixed)" and demo 1 of BMTL is listed as demo 2 and vice versa for demo 2 of BMTL. Can something be done about this? And can I gain access to the download page to fix the mislabeling problems? --Bfdx (talk) 05:08, 2 June 2013 (PDT)

If you point me to an authoritative source for the name labeling of the tracks, I'll consider changing the labels. The labels are currently replicated from the page I obtained them from when the tracks were hosted by BlackVulture. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2013 (PDT)
This thread on the fanmade EvThreads is the most up-to-date list of the 2001-2002 demos. The person that made that thread is like an Evanescence encyclopedia. --Bfdx (talk) 07:22, 2 June 2013 (PDT)
I've combined and renamed the old 'Demo CD' and 'Misc' tracks into just Misc and followed the naming convention outlined in the new evthreads thread. If you can point me to a download of 'Haunted (Demo v1)' I'll happily add it to the collection. The links that were broken should also be fixed. Thanks! --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:29, 2 June 2013 (PDT)
Here is a download of Haunted demo v1. Other things that should be added to the list are the Pre-Master versions of Tourniquet and Taking Over Me. Tourniquet can be downloaded here, and Taking Over Me can be downloaded here. And there is also the We The Living version of Whisper, which is the same as the Post Sound Asleep Demo version, with the only difference being that it has a longer drum outro. It can be downloaded here. And I noticed that the Pre-Master version of Imaginary (which was incorectlly labled "(Mystary)") was removed. I suppose it was by accident? And another thing that's bothering me is that the Mystary version of Imaginary is listed as "Mystery Edit" instead of "Mystary Edit". Anyway, sorry for all these requests, and thank you for taking the time to update the list! --Bfdx (talk) 10:51, 2 June 2013 (PDT)
Thank you for helping get the /music page updated and reorganized. I think it's improved quite a bit and should be in working order. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2013 (PDT)
By the way, on the subject of the live acoustic version of Understanding being an Evanescence EP outtake, you should read this thread on Evthreads, made by the same person that made the 2001-2002 thread. --Bfdx (talk) 11:38, 3 June 2013 (PDT)
DarkFlare89 seems to enjoy casting aspersions on this wiki. Do you know why they don't just join up and contribute their encyclopedic knowledge of all things Evanescence here? I've been out of the Ev fandom loop for years and don't have the time or desire to quibble over every bit of minutiae, but that's what this wiki is for. It's for the community to participate in and contribute communal knowledge. If you know DarkFlare89, please extend an invitation to her/him to resolve all their contentions with the content on this wiki by contributing to the resource rather than panning it. Mahalo! --DhammaSeeker (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2013 (PDT)
I'll try to contact him about this. Though there is a time every month where he goes into hiding for a while, and he's in hiding right now, so it'll take a while. --Bfdx (talk) 12:08, 3 June 2013 (PDT)


Do you know if the ParserFunctions extension could be installed? I want to make some templates for this wiki, but I can't make most of them without this extension. --Bfdx (talk) 08:35, 8 August 2013 (PDT)

Request complete. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 09:18, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
Thank you! --Bfdx (talk) 09:30, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
Sorry to bother you again, but I need another extension called Scribunto. Could you please install this one too? --Bfdx (talk) 10:14, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
Request complete. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:29, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
Thanks for this. I'm getting a fatal error when I try to use a template. Can you please do the following:
1. chmod/Change permissions to 755 for the file extensions/Scribunto/engines/LuaStandalone/binaries/lua5_1_5_linux_64_generic/lua
2. Remove //$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone'; from LocalSettings.php. --Bfdx (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
1. Done.
2. "$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';" wasn't in LocalSettings.php. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2013 (PDT)
Thanks for all your help, but I'm still getting this error, "Fatal exception of type ScribuntoException", when I try to use the template. :/ "$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';" isn't in LocalSettings.php? The instructions for installing Scribunto was to add the following code to LocalSettings.php: "require_once "$IP/extensions/Scribunto/Scribunto.php";
$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';"
Are you sure it isn't in LocalSettings.php? --Bfdx (talk) 07:29, 10 August 2013 (PDT)
Ah you're right. I've commented out this line now "$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';" --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:48, 10 August 2013 (PDT)
*sigh* I'm still getting the error. I'll figure this out eventually, but for now I'm tired of trying to figure out how to make templates work. Again, thanks for your help. --Bfdx (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2013 (PDT)
Okay, I have another request. Can you please install the Lua software? --Bfdx (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2013 (PDT)
Since this wiki is hosted on a shared web hosting account, I believe I do not have access to the server that would allow me to install that. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:45, 13 August 2013 (PDT)
It's okay, I don't need the Lua software anymore. I only have one final request. Can you please add the WikiEditor and the Gadgets extension to the wiki? --Bfdx (talk) 12:24, 13 August 2013 (PDT)
Done and done. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2013 (PDT)
Everything I wanted is now installed. Thanks a lot! --Bfdx (talk) 10:23, 19 September 2013 (PDT)


Hi, can you put Relíquias do Evanescence on the Communities?
We are a new brazilian team that rescues some old facts and rarities of the band.
Soon, we'll be a website.

Thank you!
Att.: Gaby

Done. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2013 (PDT)


I have yet another extension request. This somehow slipped under my radar. It's called the SyntaxHighlighter extension and I need it for this page. I'm trying to install on this wiki something called the RefToolbar 2.0. --Bfdx (talk) 21:22, 19 September 2013 (PDT)

SyntaxHighlighter installed. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 07:39, 20 September 2013 (PDT)
Even though it's installed, it's still not working... Anyway, thanks. --Bfdx (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2013 (PDT)
Never mind, finally got it working. --Bfdx (talk) 00:52, 21 September 2013 (PDT)

Staff Position

Hello. I was wondering if I could by any chance be a staff member here? I have extensive knowledge of Wiki coding/formatting and I have a true passion for Evanescence. I can be actively helping fix errors and adding information to this good site. Fastcar800 (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2013 (PST)

You're welcome to contribute as a regular user by correcting errors and adding information as you see fit. The people currently listed as 'Staff' currently (or at some point in the past) needed elevated access to the wiki to perform maintenance tasks. From what I can tell, Bfdx has taken the lead of late in modifying templates, etc. What kind of contributions were you thinking about? Content? Structure? --DhammaSeeker (talk) 08:44, 19 December 2013 (PST)
I was going to work mainly on content. From what I can see, the structure is already very good. However, if you do not need another staff member, I understand. Fastcar800 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2013 (PST)
Please curate the content as much as you like! Be well! --DhammaSeeker (talk) 13:38, 19 December 2013 (PST)

Demos 2001 - 2002

Is this an official demo compilation? http://lyrics.wikia.com/Evanescence:Demos_2001-2002_(2001) It contains all the pre-Fallen demos, as well as some early unreleased tracks such as Farther Awayand Bleed. They seem to be in alphabetical order, except the oddly placed Bleed as track 23 out of 24. Can you tell me anything about this, such as who made it or why? Fastcar800 (talk) 09:05, 1 January 2014 (PST)

To my limited knowledge, there are no official demo compilations; only fan compilations of tracks collected over time. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Interview With Diana Meltzer

I found this by going through the internet. You may have seen it already though. Its an interview from July 7th, 2003 with Diana Meltzer, who was, at the time, head of A&R at Wind-Up Records. It gives a lot of information about Evanescence (And, to a lesser extent, Creed). Just thought I'd give you this little source in case you need it. http://www.hitquarters.com/index.php3?page=intrview/opar/intrview_Diana_Meltzer_int.html Fastcar800 (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2014 (PST)

Account renaming/deletion

Hello. I'd like to have my account renamed to Lich Coldheart, if possible.If you cannot rename my account because the rules of the site do not allow it or you just don't do such things,I'd appreciate if you could delete my account so I could create another one. Please e-mail me with the answer at damian.alex01@yahoo.com or lich.coldheart@gmail.com. Thank you.

Lich Coldheart

Thank you for creating this new account for me. I can hardly wait to see if the merging process will work. By the way, do you consider the page Rare Songs and Demos that I created to be useful and/or well-written? Personally, I believe it could've been done much better but... that's what I managed to do. As I specified both on the page and on the talk section Rare Songs and Demos is meant to fight the confusion of the fans who may think that songs kind of "Restless" by Within Temptation belong to Evanescence. There was a very useful page here on this wiki named Non-Evanescence songs which contained a list with all popular songs that were mistaken as Evanescence's. A long time ago I created another page called Fake Evanescence Songs containing a list with less-known songs which were incorrectly labelled as belonging to Evanescence. But, for some reason, both pages have been deleted. So I thought that if we weren't allowed to create pages with non-Evanescence songs to inform the fans about this matter at least we could make it clearer about the Evanescence's stranger material and I created Rare Songs and Demos. What do you think about this matter? Please e-mail me at the same address or give me your answer on my new talk page.

EDIT: If you can't merge the two accounts couldn't you just delete the old one? I'd appreciate if my old account no longer existed.

Merge from Damian Alexandru (3242) to Lich Coldheart (3342) is complete.
Deleted page User:Damian Alexandru
Deleted page User talk:Damian Alexandru
Damian Alexandru (3242) has been deleted.
I updated the merge and delete extension, and it is functional once again. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 08:15, 28 May 2014 (PDT)

EDIT 2: Thank you so much!--Lich Coldheart (talk), 8:22, 28 May 2014 (PDT)

User account not needed.

TooReal55 account is not needed, forgot my password and when requesting a new password an error kept occurring, so I created a new account. Found my old password and am able to now log in, thanks.

                                                                  The Master

How do I get more permissions on EvRef?


I was just wondering if there's a way I can be "upgraded" to have more permissions to edit stuff on EvRef? It'll help a lot with what I've been doing recently on the pages.


Becki (EternalRemorse)

Request complete. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2018 (PST)


Hi, only for curiosity.. do you have Tourniquet Official Instrumental?

i'm really looking that.. I Have My Last Breath, Imaginary & Whisper.

Nope. Sorry. --DhammaSeeker (talk) 14:26, 8 February 2018 (PST)

News template

Hey Dhamm!! How've you been?

I wanna ask you how i can add or edit the Main page's "News" section? I have info about Evanescence in México at the Knotfest


Here's the link to edit the News section: https://evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Template:News --DhammaSeeker (talk) 12:15, 4 August 2019 (PDT)