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Also, with all the talk of e-mail hacking lately, how do you know those aren't bootleg e-mails!
 
 
 
 
== Let's wrap it all up, shall we? ==
 
Dear The Master, let me be VERY didatic here so you can understand things:
 
First of all, it is not a matter of "agreeing with" or disagreeing. Here is a REFERENCE page. It is not a no-man's-land like Discogs. There, anyone can edit whatever they want to their own benefit. Here, there is at least some commitment to the truth. Have you realized what you've been doing? You come here and totally dissatisfied about the fact that your copy of Origin doesn't have all the features of an authentic one create some non-sense about a PRE-RELEASE edition. However, if you have some information like this, you need to back it up with EVIDENCE that it is not only genuine but also belonging to a batch prior to the release of the real deal Origin. Then, you kind of support your facts by bringing up ideas which simply do not apply to Evanescence. We all know SOME OTHER BANDS have pre-release versions of their stuff without IFPI/SID codes and so on.
 
But Brad has ALREADY stated that there have been (as mentioned in the main article... have you actually read it all?) 2 different batches of Origin... the X0 and the N1 ones. NOTHING apart from these two batches is really authentic. You certainly are not the first one to be frustrated because you spent your precious money buying something unauthentic. I myself have been exactly in the same situation before. What I cannot do is come here, with my release which CLEARLY doesn't belong to any of those batches and try my best to legitimize it just because. For the sake of the money I spent on it... Do you see? That is what you have been doing.
 
Of course your version has different "properties" than the real deal CD. It is a different CD!! What would you expect? Obviously there are gonna be several differences if the CD you own is absolutely different from the real deal 2500-copies authentic Origin! Having a different cut or sound quality or something like this doesn't prove anything, dude!
 
Let's for a moment give you the benefit of the doubt: if you truly believe your copy of the CD is authentic, then what you should do is scan it in HD, provide a perfect rip of it and meanwhile try your best efforts to get in contact with Brad or someone able to answer you some critical questions (which can probably ONLY be answered by Brad himself or David, maybe as Amy, for instance, has already shown she doesn't remember much about the techinical and burocratic part of the production of Origin). Then IF (and ONLY "if") someone like them actually CONFIRM there has been another batch other than the X0 and the N1 ones, then you can check ---> IF <--- your copy belongs to that recently discovered old batch. The only negative side about it all is that it has already been confirmed that there were no pre-releases, UK releases and/or other batches other than the ones I previously mentioned. So, for all we know so far, ANYTHING other than those 2 batches is a bootleg.
 
'''Please, don't question the evidences we have nowadays because they certainly were hard to obtain.''' You see what you are doing? You are doubting the canon evidence we have and legitimizing a copy of your album just because you can't accept yours is a fake release/bootleg.
 
So, to sum it up, you have gotten yourself into trouble at Evthreads going around in circles forever and ever with this discussion. You have turned Discogs into a carnival costume with patches of truth and inches and inches of lies and misleading information. I will '''not''' let you do the same here. This is a page people come for some reference and it should contain reliable information backed up by authentic sources. I understand you would like to acknowledge the existance of your version of the CD here; however, here is a place where only the true copy really matters. The bootlegs won't find much room here. The only one noteworthy is the 2004 Russian Origin "re-release" (for obvious reasons). Apart from that, if you want to start a database of the technical info of the bootlegged copies (such as yours), do you really think this article is the best place to keep this record? Also, if you really want to include this kind of information on the official Origin article, then there should be, AT LEAST, a couple more other fake releases info (without having the non-sense "PRE" and "RELEASE" together in the same sentence, please!) to make it decent and impartial. Otherwise, you would be just editing a reference page to upload details of your own version just to gain visibility for the bootleg and that seems kind of lame.
 
To make a ''(very)'' long story short, do whatever you want at Discogs. There, time will tell apart misleading information from the truthful bit. But at EvThreads, this conversation was going in circles and it was brought to an end by the moderators. Here, you can talk as much as you can HERE IN THE '''DISCUSSION PAGE''', '''''NOT IN THE MAIN ARTICLE'''''. Please, refrain from posting on information you cannot prove or that goes against what has already been proved and stated as a fact.
 
If you want to disprove this kind of info, fine... chase after some authentic and reliable sources (please, don't fake souces, OK?) and THEN come here and edit the page uploading the proof as well. By all means I am not saying your CD doesn't have a mono playback. I'm just saying that ''ACCORDING TO THE DATA'' we already gathered, you CD is a bootleg, so why bother changing the main article with the details of the mono/stereo playback of one track belonging to a bootleg realease? If you are so eager to contribute to the main article constructively, you could say that ''"Some bootlegged copies, despite their very elaborate quality, were found with different sound properties which bring up a new mystery: how did bootleggers put their hands on a song with different properties from the original versions released on Origin?"''. Have I made myself clear enough or do we need to keep on discussing this topic in an infinite loop until you get yourself banned from here as well? --[[User:Marcinho|Marcinho]] ([[User talk:Marcinho|talk]]) 11:55, 22 September 2016 (PDT)
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