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Undermosa: /* Not recorded in 1999 */

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Not recorded in 1999

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	{{quote\|"Yeah we've been trying to achieve this goal for '''seven or eight years now'''. What we had in our head was "Fallen", although it was a long time ago and we didn't have the technology, so a lot of our early recordings were just shit. We did them in our home and they sounded like shit, but we were always striving for this and always had this one vision"}}		{{quote\|"Yeah we've been trying to achieve this goal for '''seven or eight years now'''. What we had in our head was "Fallen", although it was a long time ago and we didn't have the technology, so a lot of our early recordings were just shit. We did them in our home and they sounded like shit, but we were always striving for this and always had this one vision"}}
	{{quote\|Question: Are you still as protective of the band as far as letting people other than yourself and Amy in musically? "More so than every before. Yeah. Amy and I will, as far as I'm concerned now, will be the only people writing on the next record."		{{quote\|Question: Are you still as protective of the band as far as letting people other than yourself and Amy in musically? "More so than every before. Yeah. Amy and I will, as far as I'm concerned now, will be the only people writing on the next record."
	Question: What has brought that skepticism? "No one gets the vision quite like Amy and I. We've always been pulled a little here and a little there and have to pull it back to the centre to get the song completed. ... Evanescence is just Amy and I, and I want to keep it that way."}}		Question: What has brought that skepticism? "No one gets the vision quite like Amy and I. We've always been pulled a little here and a little there and have to pull it back to the centre to get the song completed. ... Evanescence is just Amy and I, and I want to keep it that way."}} --[[User:Undermosa\|Undermosa]] ([[User talk:Undermosa\|talk]]) 23:41, 19 August 2023 (PDT)

Undermosa: /* Not recorded in 1999 */

2023-08-20T04:30:57Z

Not recorded in 1999

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	No where in the interview does Ben say he's talking about Origin for you to claim that Origin was recorded in 1999. Amy and Ben said they were ~~build~~ up a collection of songs since 1994 to then make an album when they were ready, and there are other compilations that were never finished before they signed to Wind-up and made their debut album Fallen. '''As stated by Amy and Ben''', Origin is a compilation of their demos, with songs Amy and Ben wrote and recorded since 1995, some of them included in their duo EPs ''[[Evanescence (EP)\|Evanescence]]'' and ''[[Sound Asleep]]''. It is not even possible for Origin to have been "written and recorded" in 1999 when it has songs from Amy and Ben's 1995-1998 recordings. '''David's comment is false'''. He never even mentioned that songs were written by Amy and Ben years before he came in and some appeared in Amy and Ben's previous ~~EPS~~. He said a lie that they wrote those songs when he joined in 1999. He is not a reliable source for the facts of Amy and Ben's Evanescence work and releases.		No where in the interview does Ben say he's talking about Origin for you to claim that Origin was recorded in 1999. Amy and Ben said they were building up a collection of songs since 1994 to then make an album when they were ready, and there are other compilations that were never finished before they signed to Wind-up and made their debut album Fallen. '''As stated by Amy and Ben''', Origin is a compilation of their demos, with songs Amy and Ben wrote and recorded since 1995, some of them included in their duo EPs ''[[Evanescence (EP)\|Evanescence]]'' and ''[[Sound Asleep]]''. It is not even possible for Origin to have been "written and recorded" in 1999 when it has songs from Amy and Ben's 1995-1998 recordings. '''David's comment is false'''. He never even mentioned that songs were written by Amy and Ben years before he came in and some appeared in Amy and Ben's previous EPs. He said a lie that they wrote those songs when he joined in 1999. He is not a reliable source for the facts of Amy and Ben's Evanescence work and releases.

	As cited on the page, Amy and Ben mentioned in 2003 that the two wrote and recorded most of the demos that made up the Origin compilation at Amy's house's attic and at his apartment, and Amy sang in his closet that doubled as a vocal both. The demo version of My Immortal that's on Origin - a song Ben and Amy wrote and recorded years before when they were 16 and 15 and was an outtake of the 1998 ''Evanescence'' EP - was re-recorded at the radio station where Amy's dad worked. That is the song that Amy and Ben said was re-recorded as a demo at that time and that same demo ~~recording~~ was used on ''Fallen'' ~~by the label~~. And yet David claimed he wrote that song with them, which is another false comment as Ben and Amy wrote it years before as young teens.		As cited on the page, Amy and Ben mentioned in 2003 that the two wrote and recorded most of the demos that made up the Origin compilation at Amy's house's attic and at his apartment, and Amy sang in his closet that doubled as a vocal both. The demo version of My Immortal that's on Origin - a song Ben and Amy wrote and recorded years before when they were 16 and 15 and was an outtake of the 1998 ''Evanescence'' EP - was re-recorded at the radio station where Amy's dad worked. That is the song that Amy and Ben said was re-recorded as a demo at that time and that same demo was used by the label on ''Fallen''. And yet David claimed he wrote that song with them, which is another false comment as Ben and Amy wrote it years before as young teens.

	Amy and Ben are the two co-founders and writers of the songs from the beginning of Evanescence in 1994 until 2003, so they are the only two whose comments can be used for the facts of that time period. And the two did not state that Origin was an album recorded in 1999 or 2000. The fact that it has songs from years before, and Amy and Ben's interviews on Origin say it's a collection of their demos, should tell you not to ~~post~~ a false claim that Origin was written and recorded in 1999.		Amy and Ben are the two co-founders and writers of the songs from the beginning of Evanescence in 1994 until 2003, so they are the only two whose comments can be used for the facts of that time period. And the two did not state that Origin was an album recorded in 1999 or 2000. The fact that it has songs from years before, and Amy and Ben's interviews on Origin say it's a collection of their demos, should tell you not to use a false claim that Origin was written and recorded in 1999 as a fact.

	*Ben in a [https://web.archive.org/web/20040706044623/http://www.deo2.com/rock/?id=2280 2003 interview]: {{quote\|Well, that wasn't really an album but our demos", Ben smiles at the deception, "we made it into an album to make it more appealing to the record companies, but it was never an official release. ... We also did a lot of songs and demos after that", Moody continues, "it was just a stepping stone for us. ... It is not worth $300, it is a demo we did in my apartment."}}		*Ben in a [https://web.archive.org/web/20040706044623/http://www.deo2.com/rock/?id=2280 2003 interview]: {{quote\|Well, that wasn't really an album but our demos", Ben smiles at the deception, "we made it into an album to make it more appealing to the record companies, but it was never an official release. ... We also did a lot of songs and demos after that", Moody continues, "it was just a stepping stone for us. ... It is not worth $300, it is a demo we did in my apartment."}}

Undermosa at 03:54, 20 August 2023

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 It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording. --[[User:Undermosa|Undermosa]] ([[User talk:Undermosa|talk]]) 01:56, 19 August 2023 (PDT)
 According to an [http://web.archive.org/web/20070317070110/http:/www.strangerthingsmag.net/evanescence.html interview] in 2000, Ben said they started working on a full-length in December 1999. Before that, they only had released two EPs. So the full-length here is ''Origin''.
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 {{quote|How did you meet Ben and Amy and subsequently enter into the band?
 i met ben through a mutual friend the summer of 98. he and i became close friends and he helped record earlier solo projects of mine. a year and a half later, i was getting tired of the music i was doing and ben asked me to join he and amy to write and see what happens. '''we started writing and recording "origin" in dec. 99''' and everything worked so well that we continued from there.}}

Octopia: /* Recording year */ new section

2023-08-19T13:07:45Z

Recording year: new section

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	It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording. --[[User:Undermosa\|Undermosa]] ([[User talk:Undermosa\|talk]]) 01:56, 19 August 2023 (PDT)		It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording. --[[User:Undermosa\|Undermosa]] ([[User talk:Undermosa\|talk]]) 01:56, 19 August 2023 (PDT)

			== Recording year ==

			According to an [http://web.archive.org/web/20070317070110/http:/www.strangerthingsmag.net/evanescence.html interview] in 2000, Ben said they started working on a full-length in December 1999. Before that, they only had released two EPs. So the full-length here is ''Origin''.

			{{quote\|The last I heard of Evanescence was the indie EP you put out in 1998. What have you been doing since then?

			Well, we did put out an EP last summer [''note: that would be Sound Asleep, in August 1999'']. We only made about 50, so few people ever knew it existed. '''We've really just been trying to record a full length'''. We've tried a million and one different production ideas and arrangements until we finally found something that we could be proud of. It's kind of ridiculous to take that long for one CD, but we wanted it to be the best we could do without a record label. This was kind of like our baby. '''We actually didn't start the recordings that ended up on the album until December of last year'''. '''We started over from scratch when David Hodges joined the band'''. I think the most time consuming project has been building our own studio to accomodate the ridiculous amount of recording we do before we get a finished product.}}

			David also [http://www.davidhodges.info/interview.shtml confirmed] they started tracking it in December 1999:

			{{quote\|How did you meet Ben and Amy and subsequently enter into the band?
			i met ben through a mutual friend the summer of 98. he and i became close friends and he helped record earlier solo projects of mine. a year and a half later, i was getting tired of the music i was doing and ben asked me to join he and amy to write and see what happens. '''we started writing and recording "origin" in dec. 99''' and everything worked so well that we continued from there.}}

Undermosa: /* Not recorded in 1999 */

2023-08-19T08:56:32Z

Not recorded in 1999

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	== Not recorded in 1999 ==		== Not recorded in 1999 ==

	It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording.		It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording. --[[User:Undermosa\|Undermosa]] ([[User talk:Undermosa\|talk]]) 01:56, 19 August 2023 (PDT)

Undermosa: /* Not recorded in 1999 */ new section

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	--[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 20:04, 15 May 2017 (PDT)		--[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 20:04, 15 May 2017 (PDT)

			== Not recorded in 1999 ==

			It has never been said that ''Origin'' as a CD was recorded in 1999 or any year, and that wouldn't even be possible as it has songs as old as 1996, maybe older. It's cited on the page that both Amy and Ben said ''Origin'' was their demos that they compiled and had them mastered at Ardent Studios and shopped it to labels. Mastering is not recording.

The Master: /* Bigwig website images */ new section

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Bigwig website images: new section

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	Not following where a limited unofficial previously unreleased disc would have 2 official IFPI codes?		Not following where a limited unofficial previously unreleased disc would have 2 official IFPI codes?
	Unless I am missing something? --[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 06:55, 12 November 2016 (PST)		Unless I am missing something? --[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 06:55, 12 November 2016 (PST)

			== Bigwig website images ==


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			The website images shown on the Origin page are showing coming soon in 2003.
			The album was released in 2000. Those images show nothing about being in 2000.
			Provide a 2000 dated image, if there is one?
			It took almost 3 years to sell a small amount of copies?

			--[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 20:04, 15 May 2017 (PDT)

The Master: /* (ORIGIN) previously unreleased */ new section

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(ORIGIN) previously unreleased: new section

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	Good-day		Good-day

			== (ORIGIN) previously unreleased ==

			According to the band website its never been officially released until this box-set 2016 release.
			The track listing and times of the vinyl would prove the correct version, assuming the record is unchanged from the original.
			Not following where a limited unofficial previously unreleased disc would have 2 official IFPI codes?
			Unless I am missing something? --[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 06:55, 12 November 2016 (PST)

The Master: /* 2 IFPI codes for the only press? */

2016-10-02T00:53:55Z

2 IFPI codes for the only press?

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	Have a nice weekend. :-) --[[User:Marcinho\|Marcinho]] ([[User talk:Marcinho\|talk]]) 14:07, 1 October 2016 (PDT)		Have a nice weekend. :-) --[[User:Marcinho\|Marcinho]] ([[User talk:Marcinho\|talk]]) 14:07, 1 October 2016 (PDT)



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			Yes, I don't want to really sell anything, I just don't believe anyone has the truth about this album.
			It may be fake, but they must have bootlegged 1 copy, would love to see '''Another'''?
			Believe what you wish, I guess the music is great no matter what version it is!

			Good-day

Marcinho: /* 2 IFPI codes for the only press? */

2016-10-01T21:07:31Z

2 IFPI codes for the only press?

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	Nowhere in the Origin article is there proof of the only official version having to contain 2 IFPI codes, as I remember you wrote the whole article. All 2 IFPI's mean is that it was replicated		Nowhere in the Origin article is there proof of the only official version having to contain 2 IFPI codes, as I remember you wrote the whole article. All 2 IFPI's mean is that it was replicated
	at a later time from the original master.--[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 10:14, 29 September 2016 (PDT)		at a later time from the original master.--[[User:The Master\|The Master]] ([[User talk:The Master\|talk]]) 10:14, 29 September 2016 (PDT)


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			It means whatever you think it means, The Master.

			I'm done talking to you and going around in circles forever and ever. You're stubborn and avid to legitimize your own CD just in order to be able to sell it on eBay and get rid of your fake Origin.

			This is the end of the talk.

			Prove your point BEFORE you edit this page or do us all a favor and give up trying to change things around here. Go to Discogs, which is a no-man's-land and edit whatever you want to edit over there (like you've done already). Just beware they have rules too.

			And HOPEFULLY, you'll fool some incautious buyer and trick him/her to buy your copy for a legitimate one and all this nonsense of "other releases", "pre-releases", "alternate releases" and so on will be over. If you publicly tell people how much money you want for your bootlegged Origin, maybe I can crowdfund raise it all just to have all this crazy talk done for real... Is that what you want? Just change things around here to sell your bootleg for a real deal just because you bought it so?

			Believe whatever you want to believe, but I'm done having to draw things up so you can understand them. Wanna be a skeptical person and doubt the whole world? Fine... but away from this article.

			Have a nice weekend. :-) --[[User:Marcinho\|Marcinho]] ([[User talk:Marcinho\|talk]]) 14:07, 1 October 2016 (PDT)